13 Responses to “Osh-Tisch”

  1. perlhaqr

    I don’t know if the US Army would have been supplying rifles to the Crow (probably not, but I suppose you never know) but if they had, those would have been 1873 Springfields, not Winchesters.

    The line “as rapidly as she could load her gun”, from Pretty Shield also leans me away from any of the Winchester rifles of that era, because those were all repeating rifles; You didn’t have to reload them between each shot, as you would with the “Trapdoor” 1873 Springfield.

    I dunno. I’m just jabbering because I like guns, and talking about guns. :)

    –Gun Nerd Fan of Rejected Princesses

  2. Jason Porath

    Hah, good to know! Yeah, I have no knowledge of the weaponry used by the Crow at the Battle of the Rosebud. They were fighting alongside the US military forces, so I figured giving them similar weaponry wouldn’t be out of the question.

  3. perlhaqr

    Right. But what I was trying (and possibly failing, heh) to say is that the U.S. Army of the time wouldn’t have been using Winchesters either. The U.S. Army was definitely using the 1873 Springfield. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn#Weapons_used_at_the_Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn) The Winchester repeating rifles (of any model) were never U.S. Army issue. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_rifle#United_States)

    The Lakota and Sioux might well have been using Winchesters, and were definitely using the Henry .44 lever action repeater. (Little Bighorn link above.) Which I suppose means that the Crow might have had them at the Rosebud, too.

    Man. I am totally nerdsplaining at you. I am so sorry. :p

    Still, despite my quibbling and nerdery, you’re totally correct that there’s a non-zero possibility that Osh-Tisch would have had a ’73 Winchester, a ’76 Winchester (though less likely, given the location of the battle and the rate of propagation in those days), or even a ’66 Winchester, which would like almost exactly like the one you illustrated, only made out of a yellowish bronze / brass alloy.

    OK. I’m going to totally stop talking now, unless you want to keep talking about this subject. ;)

  4. Jason Porath

    Hah, fair enough! Thanks for the additional info. :D

  5. Jessica Choisez

    Osh-Tisch and The Other Magpie were not the only warrior women at the Rosebud. The Arapaho war chief Pretty Nose fought that day, as did the Cheyenne warrior Buffalo Calf Road Woman. In the case of the latter, the Cheyenne’s oral traditions call the Battle of the Rosebud ‘The Fight Where the Girl Saved Her Brother’ as a result of Buffalo Calf Road Woman’s actions.

  6. ashley blum-woodland

    dude thats pretty cool thanks for the historical accuracy :)

  7. Z_Snap

    This is very late, but regarding on how to refer to gender/sexes, I tend to use XX and XY when talking about binary bodies because I consider myself gender queer. Given that, I’d think maybe the term XY woman or the ilk would have worked? It’s not a term I’ve heard other people use, so I can’t really say whether or not it’d be accurate or offensive.
    Just unasked for input of a random internet user. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  8. JoiaJ

    I like this tradition of earning your name as an adult. It makes a lot more sense to me, figuring out who a person is before deciding what to call them

  9. Taylor Nichols

    These days Two Spirits is being used as an umbrella term for all First Nations peoples in the LGBT community. I’m very pale skinned due to German on one side but of First Nations descent and about burst into tears when I learned that there is actually a name for those of us in that community. I was visiting a state with a much higher First Nations concentration than my home state and saw a poster for a Two Spirit support group while visiting a First Nations book store.

  10. Deanna Church

    I think earning your name is a super cool idea – of course, I immediately think of the things I might be named (“Free Speech via Too Many Bumper Stickers”) Native people used to come up with names like “Crazy Horse” and “Panther in the Sky” – very cool names. But if we earned our names now, the most popular name would be something along the lines of “Never Looks Up From Her Cell Phone”. Not so good. A close second would be “Internet Troll”. Actually, it would probably be in the country’s best interest to label internet trolls.

  11. Emily McDaniels

    What about Lozen? She was a kick ass native warrior too.

  12. Jason Porath

    She’s on the list – I want to get the okay from her tribe before doing an entry on her, though. I did a ton of research on her a while back and man, it’s going to be a very emotionally taxing entry to write.

  13. Micheleh

    Unfortunately there’s no way of telling what her chromosomal makeup would be without performing a DNA test on her remains. So I personally prefer not to use terms like XX and XY because most people with sex chromosome variants never know they have them, or don’t know until it has an impact on their health.